Mamdouh Habib - Who I am in the War on Terror (part 2)
Transcript – Mamdouh Habib @ ANU (part 2)
9.8.06
And all this time they try negotiating with me, to tell them I’m a terrorist, and Australia have a terrorist, and people Australia gonna kill all people in Australia. It’s not true.
How I gonna come and tell you people gonna attack you, and no one attack you, no one gonna attack you, why I have to scare you for? That’s what they want from me, to come in and tell you Australia have a terrorist, and people gonna attack Australia.
Is it true? Maybe it is, but I don’t know. Maybe they know, they can prove it, but I have no idea.
And they take me, and they keep negotiating, I keep refuse, they keep on torture, then take me to Guantanamo Bay. Isolated.
I was a level four. Anyone was a level four.
Guantanamo Bay, when America have a huge number of people, they kidnap them, before September 11, and after September 11.
80%, and I guarantee you because I know.
I know every everybody, I know every cell in Guantanamo bay because they move me every hour, every hour to each cell. I see every one, about everyone in Guantanamo bay.
Everyone in Guantanamo bay has been kidnapped from his own home.
Most of the people have been sold.
You know what sold means? They Pakistani people sold arab people, most of it Saudi Arabi, Yemini, who work in Pakistan, and Pakistan has a good business. Very good business.
They got from five hundred dollars to ten thousand dollars, for good people. But right hand of Osama Bin Laden got over a million. I don’t know how much they got from me.
No one tell me.
But I was told in Egypt, they can pay me for four million dollars if I agree what I have to tell the media. If I say yes I am a terrorist, that is what I was told.
They tell me if you stay here in front of the media, we’re gonna bring the TV on, and you stand in front of the media, and you say “I’m from Australia, I was going to hijack flights and I gonna kill people, and we picked you up now” we pay you four million dollars.
I said I gonna be in jail, I gonna be sentenced to death.
No no no, don’t worry about it. We can fix that up!
(audience laughs)
I’m not going to say I swear or nothing, it’s the truth. That truth. They tell me pay me four million dollars. Egyptian government, the guy his name Ahmed Sulimen, don’t forget this name, it’s very important name. He tell me he is high security in Egypt and he’s the one who communicates with every the security in Egyptian government.
He tell me American government paying us ten million dollar for each one terrorist.
If we take one, they give us ten million dollar. But because we are a government, we take six, we give you four, (audience laughs) good deal!
But I say at the end of the story what I gonna be?
He say no no no, don’t worry about it. Did you know Timothy McVey? You think Timothy McVey has been killed? Yes. No no, Timothy McVey is alive, with different identity (audience laughs) he’s in a different place.
I don’t know if he joke, or maybe he tried to lie to me, or it true? I believe maybe it true, to me, maybe you laugh, but to me maybe it truth.
They say Timothy McVey is still alive, with a different identity, in a different place Different name, and have a few million.
I say thankyou, I want my wife and my kids, if they still alive.
They say well, no choice. They take me back. They leave me to die.
When I see consul of Australia, he tell me your never going to see your family again, they say we take your citizen away. America make a new legislation, new law or whatever, no one, if America said, we cancel his citizen, he’s no citizen any more.
And every country follow the American law. And that’s what happened And I believe him, and it’s true.
Why they take me to Guantanamo bay?
During the time I was there, everyone there, some of them they pay five hundred dollars, sometimes ten hundred. What is said, the right hand, quarter million.
Now what is going on in Pakistan, they sold people to the Americans, and send to Cuba.
Now Cuba, because America have not enough room in Pakistan and Afghanistan, plenty of people, and all these people right hand of Osama Bin Laden. In Cuba, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, what I was told, one of the stories just remember this, one of the story, is truth.
When first kidnapped, the ambassador Australia turn his back go away, they take me special area, underground, Pakistan somewhere.
I had one guy who was screaming, I asked him what happened. He told me I’m a businessman, I work in Pakistan, taking people from Pakistan to work in Saudi Arabia, for long. But I was here having problems with my throat and the doctor take me and give me aesthetic, and he chopped off my legs. And he informed the American government, this guy he come from Afghanistan, he was in the war, and he was the right hand of Osama Bin Laden.
He chopped his legs off, and he sold him out. And that’s one, one small part of the story. This guy’s in Guantanamo bay, this guy is in Cuba. Until today. He hasn’t done anything.
I saw him once, he went on to Cuba, they tell me that’s the guy.
I stay with a guy, he’s been kidnapped, thrown into Egypt, have nothing.
When he kidnapped, they take him to Egypt. Well, where are you from? He have Pakistani citizen and Saudi Arabian citizen, he’s a diplomatic.
They kidnapped, take him to Egypt for tortured, but he was less, he took one month in Egypt.
Now where’s he? He’s crazy.
He can’t carry on.
Still today he’s Guantanamo bay, camp, they call block delta for crazy.
Anybody tell me, anyone have any humanity, tell me now, what’s people mentally problem, crazy, they put him in block they call block delta for crazy, for mental problem, what these people doing in Guantanamo Bay? I no understand.
What people disabled, with wheelie chair, staying in Guantanamo Bay, paralysed. What’s these people doing there? Is these people terrorist? I’m telling you, I seen my own eye, one young baby, I’m saying baby, ten months old, who was in Camp Echo. Ten months old. He’s right hand of Osama Bin Laden!
Maybe he’s drink milk from Osama Bin Laden’s [indecipherable]. Ten months old.
Why? Because his family been killed, his father carry the boy, an American come with the power, and pick him up as his son, to take him away to Guantanamo Bay.
It’s no room, no place, that’s why they open Guantanamo Bay.
All jails is full, I’m telling you in Egypt over ten million people, no two million people, sorry.
No one defend these people.
No one say… they disappear, they just disappear. Is gone to work, he never be back. What happen? No one know. Any reason? No. Maybe he talk about politics, maybe he ask for his rights, maybe he doesn’t get paid his wages, he never go back home. All these people in jail.
Now, we go back to Guantanamo Bay.
When America open Guantanamo Bay, they call it “Camp X-ray”. Australian government say Mr Habib he was in Camp X-ray, it’s lies, not true. I never see any Camp X-ray.
They soon take me from Cub- from Egypt, take me to Kandahar, take me to Camp Delta. I always isolated. They doesn’t want me to see anybody, to talk, to know what’s going on, because they keep me brainwashed. And I was very sick, I don’t know what’s going on.
Well, they have in Cuba, four levels. Level 1, level 2, level3, level 4, and they have camp four, camp four for high quality people, co-operating.
Co-operate, you know what’s mean cooperate? Whats mean. You have to admit, you are a terrorist, you are with Osama bin Laden, Osama bin Laden is your best, your best friend, and he is the one support you, and if you no say that you no co-operate!
That’s people say that, you right, go camp four, stay there, drink eat, they have blanket.
And where white cloth, very nice in white. But for not for long, two or three months then transfer him again, because he’s Osama Bin Laden!
And you have to say again repeat new story, to make him satisfied. And he keep going, four years.
Now camp four, that’s the rich people, you got level one, you got two blanket, overall, the orange one, and they give you t-shirts sometimes, and sheets, your lucky, sometimes you have a book, sometimes you read. If you’re level one extra, they give you toothbrush, very rich,
Then you can go outside for a half an hour, twenty minutes, depends interrogator [sounds like intrigator?- Kieran].
I say here, what happened in Guantanamo Bay, they have General Miller, the one in charge they say Guantanamo bay. This Miller have nothing to do with abosolutely the detaining in Guantanamo bay. All the order, everything be taken from the interrogator.
All these soldiers, not call em soldiers I say guards, all the guards take their orders from interrogator.
[undecipherable, ten seconds something about red shorts - Kieran]
What surprise me, I have nothing, in my cell, and every hour, they come and search my cell.
Cell is just 1.5 square metre, all metal, and have only my shorts, and they come and search me every half hour every hour. I don’t know why. I don’t know. Maybe cockroaches come into my cell.
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